Conversation: Kim Byrne on Identity Clutter and Who You Are Now

What happens when a role, career, or version of yourself that once fit no longer does?

In this conversation, Michelle sits down with life and leadership coach Kim Byrne, founder of Seeds to Stories, to explore the “identity clutter” we carry from old roles, expectations, accomplishments, and definitions of success.

They talk about navigating major life transitions, grieving identities we’ve outgrown, separating our worth from what we do, and learning to trust ourselves when we don’t yet know what comes next. Sometimes what we uncover from the past isn’t something to discard; it’s a clue to what has been true all along.

This conversation is a reminder that growth doesn’t always require becoming someone new. 

Sometimes it starts by asking a much simpler question: "Who am I now?"

About Kim Byrne:

Kim Byrne is a life and leadership coach, speaker, and founder of Seeds to Stories. Her work explores the identity clutter we carry through major life transitions — the old roles, expectations, and definitions of success that once served us but may now be keeping us from becoming the most honest version of ourselves.

Website: https://seedstostories.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kim-byrne-s2s/

Substack: https://substack.com/@kimbyrne1

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@KimByrneCoaching

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kimbyrnecoaching/

Connect with Michelle:

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SPEAKER_00 0:06

Hey y'all, and welcome to This Is Nothing New. My name is Michelle, and this is the show where we drop the trends, get back to the basics, and uncover those lessons hiding in everyday life. Today I am joined by Kim Byrne. Kim is a life and leadership coach, speaker, and founder of Seeds to Stories. She helps women navigate major life transitions by sorting through the roles, expectations, and the old definitions of success they've collected along the way. Also they can reconnect with who they are now and build a life that feels more honest. Kim, welcome to the show.

SPEAKER_01 0:42

Thanks, Michelle. It's great to be here.

SPEAKER_00 0:45

Yeah, I'm so excited to dive into a really good conversation today because I feel there's a lot of parallels in the type of work we do with helping women really identify these outdated patterns and kind of have a little bit of a, you know, come to reality moment with love, of course, but come to reality moment with like what feels right these days. So I know a lot of this work is all about returning to the fundamentals, returning to the basics first. So, in your perspective, what does getting back to the basics mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:24

I think what first comes to mind when I hear that question is an internal question of who am I? But who am I now? And so often we answer that question very quickly with what we do, who we are in relationships, and don't pause long enough to say, who am I really? Who's really wants to show up in the world and how do I want to show up in the world? And that idea of who I am and if that shifts at all, there can be this almost like a residue left over from some of these past experiences or roles or jobs, and we don't recognize that. And when we fail to recognize that, we we kind of don't see what's that little bit of stuff that's either holding us back or putting helping us move forward in a pattern that maybe we don't want to move forward in.

SPEAKER_00 2:27

Yeah. And that whole idea of asking ourselves, who am I now? I know I could say for for myself, I for a long time when I would think about who am I, it was what's my title? What is the label that I can put on myself to package it in a digestible way for people to understand? And so actually, as I'm saying that, I'm real I'm realizing that whenever I ask that question, it was not who am I to me, it was who am I to other people.

SPEAKER_01 3:01

Right. And that's where we often, yeah, we we get tied up in answering for other people and neatly packaging it. And it's who we are, we are not a marketing demographic. We are complicated human beings, not bad complication, but just there's a lot to us. We have lots of different roles, we have lots of different interests. And to answer a question like that is takes time and really some thoughtfulness and to turn inward versus saying, yeah, what do I do on the outside? What do people see?

SPEAKER_00 3:39

And the whole what do people see? That is, I love that you said we're not a marketing demographic, but it can sometimes feel that way. Um especially in this, you know, where we are in the society of like social media. If we put, if we look at social media, you have to have, well, maybe that's a strong language. It feels like you have to have a label or a gimmick or a niche or a whatever to have any type of purpose or value. And I think that's that feels like one of the most contradictory messages that we get is like, no, figure out who you are right now to yourself, but also the entire world is judging you. Right.

SPEAKER_01 4:31

And that's not an easy place to stand, right? So it's uncomfortable to stand there and and try to answer that question for ourselves when we know the minute we speak something, somebody's gonna judge. And some of that is true judgment, and some of it is us judging ourselves based on what we think they're perceiving. And so it's this really awkward place to hang out, but that discomfort and spending you don't have to be there all the time, but spending some time there on a regular basis is what gets us to finding that truth and so that we can go out into the world and represent ourselves authentically without the fear of judgment. And you know what, in some ways, it's always gonna show up. You're gonna meet some new people and they're gonna, you know, interact with you in a certain way, and it will feel like judgment, but we build that uh resilience and also just trust in who we are to stand within that discomfort.

SPEAKER_00 5:42

Yeah, the whole idea of get comfortable being uncomfortable is, you know, that's all very pervasive through the personal development and like life improvement spaces. Right. Um, you know, as you were talking about us kind of having that fear or concern about being judged, you know, a pattern that I recently realized about myself, actually through doing these podcast shows, and as I've been really like focusing on the podcast, I have realized that I have a tendency to assume what somebody is going to think. So then I start defending the point I just made in order to prove a potential perception wrong that I don't even know if it exists. And so I find myself in this cycle sometimes of I state an opinion, but then, you know, there's layers and layers of context and background and education and you know, experience that I have to have that opinion, but nobody sees it. So then I feel like I have to defend it before anybody even judges me for it. And it just turns it into the spiral thing. So it's like, you know, we're talking about kind of who we are and all of these different identities that we carry because we're not, you know, I'm not just Michelle here and now today. I'm Michelle with 30 plus years of life and multiple different industries that I've worked in and all of this experience that you don't necessarily see today unless I tell you about it or unless you knew me in a past life. And, you know, when I think about this idea of past lives, I know we have some of this in common, where we've both lived a lot of chapters in terms of career and professional work. Um, we were both in technology. And I was also in special events for about 10 years and the whole wedding industry. I worked at Disney World. And I know you have also gone through a lot of chapters yourself from technology and product marketing to choosing to stay home and raise your son and rebuilding a professional life. Like that's a lot of that's a lot of transitions. And I know that your story will resonate with a lot of people out there who have gone through so many transitions. Um, I would love for you to share a bit more about what that experience was like. Like, how did you know it was time to make some of those transitions if you sit and reflect on it?

SPEAKER_01 8:22

Well, here's the thing. You can look back and say, oh, that's that's when I kind of decided I needed to make the transition. But when you're going through it, there's there's really no certainty. There is leaning into who you are and trusting that that is that is the right choice. And there's no wrong choice, right? Because we we make a choice and then we decide, is this really aligned with me or do I need to pivot? And it doesn't mean a complete throw everything out and come back to square one. It means I need to change something a little bit. And for me, that became really tangible when after I had worked for 15 years in corporate America from a I you know Fortune 500 down to a startup and had seen that whole gamut and had really loved and enjoyed what I did when I was doing it. But when I was part of a downsizing and I had to make a choice, at the time it felt very, I should just go back to work, find another job. And I had gone through a fair amount of process to become a mother and stepping out of the productivity realm and feeling my value in being able to stand in a meeting and present my ideas and have people from the CEO across the organization be responsive and praise me for what I was coming up with to saying, I'm going to step away from that. And suddenly my value was in question. And I know a lot of that was coming from me, but I also experienced that from other people of little comments like, well, what do you do all day? And how can you be busy? And um, well, you know, what when are you gonna go back to work? And that was a really big challenge. And I know a lot of women have gone through that, they've made that decision, and it made me question. I had to really hold firm to knowing this is who I am, and I'm making this decision today. I didn't know at the time how long I was going to stay at home with my son full time, but it felt very true to me in that moment. And that ended up being, you know, 10 plus years. And then I had that moment of truth again where he went off to college and I was thinking I had everything figured out and I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do these things. And then suddenly I went, I need to check back in with myself. Well, actually, I didn't say that. I felt that like nudge that like something doesn't feel quite right about that. And sitting with that for a while was very uncomfortable because the pressure then became, well, you have to go back to what you were doing, and you have to make the same amount of money that you were making. And and that no longer fit the identity and the values and the lifestyle that I wanted to live. So, again, making that like choice of okay, who am I? Who am I now? And that's you know, 10 plus years past that last decision, and knowing that I was gonna have to try some things and see kind of what was working and adjust as as needed. And um, that has been as challenging as it is sometimes, it's also been the most rewarding.

SPEAKER_00 12:16

And that feeling of your value being in question when you move away from a specific role or whatever it is, is I mean, is so real. And I think that's why a lot of people stay in positions that they are miserable in. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:38

Yeah, I I've know of someone who was in a management position, had worked their way up to that position, and was miserable, and decided they wanted to pull back to more of a hands-on role and not have management responsibilities. And that was being true to who they were at that moment. They had experienced it and really went, this is not who I am and who I want to be, and the release that came with that and the just comfort in life that came with that. And that goes both ways, right? We can, it's just do we take that pause and say, is this still aligned with me? And one of the signs is, you know, if you're starting to feel that nudge, or you're starting to go going to work today, or I have to go to this concert, or I have to go to this event, and it's those commitments that we make out of expectation and and roles of, oh, I'm the one that shows up, I'm the one that supports everyone, I'm the one, and going, yeah, but what is that doing to me and what kind of life of am I living by not stepping back and asking that question? Is this truly who I am?

SPEAKER_00 14:03

And I find that a lot of people tend to ask themselves those questions when they are at their rock bottom, not beforehand.

SPEAKER_01 14:12

That's that's a tough, tough place to ask those questions because then we we tend to make really quick decisions like I'm quitting my job, I'm gonna go do something else, I'm gonna move to Thailand, I'm going to start a restaurant. You know, we throw out all these ideas, and not that the ideas are bad in any, you know, form. It's just that when you're operating from a level of energy where you are drained, burnt out, just totally overwhelmed, we make decisions that really aren't really truly aligned with ourselves. We're just looking for relief from the frustration or that feeling of this is not working anymore.

SPEAKER_00 14:56

And I have personal experience with being that one who asked themselves the question, is this actually what I want? At my rock bottom, you know, I used to work for a startup software company, and it was really great until it was really bad. And for about a year and a half, I went through the cycle where I was miserable, anxious, depressed. But then something would happen like the company got funding. So it was like a shiny bright spot that I would be like, and everything's gonna be better. And then I would keep going through the cycle of knowing I wanted to leave. But at the time, I was also making, I had the highest salary in our household. I we were on my insurance, you know, it was all of those practical things that I was ex, I was just explaining away how truly miserable I was until I finally got to the self-awareness point where I hired a therapist. And I hired her and I told her, she, you know, if you've ever been in therapy, they usually ask you, like, why are you here? And I told her, I'm here because within the next six months, I want to quit my job and I don't trust myself to stick to that. And I need somebody to hold me accountable. And so it was this process of figuring out what I really wanted and learning what all my best excuses were that I could excuse away anything. Uh, you know, until it finally got to a point where I was just having, I was at my own rock bottom, and my therapist asked me to take everybody else out of the equation, which is really hard for a recovering people pleaser. And she just said, What do you want? And I said, I would quit tomorrow. And it was the first time I had ever like said that out loud and given myself that space. And in the next few days, I did. I put my notice in. But it wasn't just that I was leaving a job. I remember on my last day, I got out to the car and I sobbed uncontrollably for like 30 minutes. And it was this mix of joy, relief. But also, I didn't leave for another job. I just left. I needed a break. And so it was like grieving this identity as a, you know, software startup leader and you know, all of that label stuff. And I know one of the things that you talk about that I would loved for you to talk more on is like there's a lot of grief when it when you realize that you outgrow something that once brought you so much joy. Grief and guilt, at least on my side. So I'd love for you to speak to that a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 18:03

Yeah. That I I I uh honor the choice that you make made in leaving as you did. That is the question your therapist asked gave you the permission to say, I want, I want something. And even as I say that, it kind of gives me the chills because it's hard to say that and to say out loud what you truly want because of all those things that are floating in your head of like, be responsible. This doesn't make logical sense, right? We sit in our heads making those decisions versus I think that's why I get the chills when I say it is because it's the body's responding to that energy of truth. And when you leaned into trusting yourself to make that decision, it's not, it's it doesn't come and you go, yay, and that's it. There is that grief of gosh, now if I go out to dinner with friends and they say, Michelle, what are you doing? And you can't, you don't have that title, and you earned you earned a very important role in a company, and you were valued for that and praised for that. And when the answer is silence or I'm exploring, or whatever the answer is, learning to bake bread, and we can kind of laugh about that. But on the other hand, that create creative action is what kind of opens us up to understanding that it is grief of this role is no longer part of who I am. It's part, it's still part of, I'm gonna restate that, it's still part of who you are, it's just not currently who you are. And so many pieces of that you will carry forward, but you will leave behind the frustration and the anxiety. And I can tell you, when I left my job, there was as much as I loved it, um, there was just a lot of pent-up anxiousness and tension that went away. And I referred to it as my detox period and said, you know what, for and gave myself three months and to really just let try to let it all go. And it was, I didn't have a place to go to that felt like I was gonna be valued. Now, my son was happy to have me around, sure, but he wasn't paying me. And and the title of mom is is awesome, but we have grown up in this culture where what you do is your value, and trying to find that value in a new role is it doesn't come instantly. And we intellectually, I think it comes pretty quickly, like, oh, okay, I'm a mom and I'm creating a lifestyle for my family, and I'm teaching my son things and taking him places, and but it took a long time. I don't have a date on that one, but it took a long time for me to when somebody asked what I did, have an answer that I felt kind of where I was valued and leaning into um my own sense of value when I when I said that. And and for a while it was uncomfortable. And uh when my son went off to college, it was like, okay, I'm not a mom anymore. Well, yes, I'm still a mom, but I'm not needed. It's like I was not needed at this job anymore, and now I'm not needed at this mom role anymore. So Where do I put my energy? Where do I find that fulfillment? And that can stir up a lot of feelings of, you know, going through college and you had a plan. I know you're like me, Michelle. You had a plan. And you execute on it, and it's like, whoo, top of the mountain. And then the plan changes. And we're kind of faced with, gosh, I don't kind of feels it. There is some grief there, of that's not how I expected my life to go. But then you can flash forward another 10 years, and I'm looking at it going, you know what? That those were the things I needed to go through to get to this point. And the grief, the sadness is has moved on to acceptance of what it has brought to me. And I look at you, you know, your story and the things that you are able to do now because you went through that and because your processing of that grief in that role and what how you bring that to people you work with and interact with now is you can't put a value on that, I don't think.

SPEAKER_00 23:12

And it's I um so agree with you when we're like, oh, when we look back 10 years, it's so easy to say, look at how great those lessons were for me now. But one of the most challenging parts is when right now, in the present, we are in the midst of a massive transition. And like intellectually, we know it's teaching us something, we're going to get through it, everything will eventually be fine. But also it feels scary and we don't want to listen to that practical thing. So when you when you think about, you know, I know some of the work you do with Seeds to Stories and really helping people navigate through some of those transitions, like when people are in it, like in that storm of confusion and chaos and transition and doubt and all of that, what are some of the kind of the back to the basics, those fundamental things that you encourage them to do first or to look for first?

SPEAKER_01 24:21

I think the first thing is just acknowledging that this is scary, this is uncomfortable. And it seems so basic, right? You we want a big answer, we want, you know, give me a give me a worksheet to fill out, fill out, or give me a give me a trip I should take because that'll clear everything up. I once heard a story about someone who was dealing with a um a really cranky child, and they wanted to go on to this trip to the Tibetan um uh whatever the house of worship and do a retreat, right? And a uh a week of silence. And the monk that they talked to said, you are not gonna learn how to deal with the cranky child on in this silent retreat. You will learn to deal with the cranky child by sitting with the cranky child, and that is kind of what we need to do is just sit with it and not not run out and go, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna start running because I can plan, you know, train for a marathon now. And that'll it is sitting with that discomfort, and it's not like days of it, uh, but sitting with it long enough to first just say, what is it? And then go a little deeper of what really is this? What's the story? I talk about seeds of stories, is really there's those seeds, those seed ideas that come to us, and and we quickly dismiss them. It's okay, that's not right. And there's a story behind that. There's a story we've telling ourselves, we're too old, we're too young, we're too whatever we tell ourselves, and it stops us. And if we can sit long enough with that story, and for some people, it makes sense to journal. I I know sometimes I can go in and I can journal, like, you know, I'm gonna write the next great uh epic story, but there's other times it's just not, this is not me. And knowing who you are and how you process things to be able to, maybe it is take a walk. Maybe it's some people it's talking with a friend. I'm a soundboarder, but when I need quiet, I really need quiet. And otherwise I'm hearing everybody else's thoughts. So sitting with what do I need? What do I need in this moment to help me find what that thing is that is keeping me stuck or keeping me, uh keeping me tied to a story that's from the past. And and that's really kind of like that idea of clutter and I and identity clutter, that we hold on to those stories, and they're our way of proving that we have value or we want to be praised for something again. And sometimes we're starting over, and we have to be the newbie at something, and that's uncomfortable too, to be, you know, have a 20, 30 plus year career, and then you start over going, okay, I don't know how to do that, or I should know how to do that because gosh, I've been around for a long time. And those are the stories that kind of get in the way and don't allow us to be different. So you really look at that as that's that's focusing on the past, and then we can get pulled into this. Well, I'm gonna become the best version of myself. And what does that look like? Well, oftentimes there's nothing really wrong with that. It's just often when we talk about best version, we're talking about an external best best version, somebody else's definition of a best version. And if we go there, we've kind of lost the plot. What we need to do is what's the best version of me that I want to put out into the world and who I want to be, not what do I want to do. And the real work is sitting in between those two, those two ideas of who I am and what that's built and the foundation that I have. We don't toss that out, but let it push us into the future a bit, while the future needs to not pull us too far. So we stand in that place, in that kind of gap where we can experience both at the same time. Take take some breaths because we we want to move on so quickly. We just we have get an idea, and it's like, I'm off to the races because then I can say I'm doing something, versus if we slow down and just say, is this is this who I am? And and that does sometimes take talking to someone else, a trusted friend, you know, somebody that knows us, but sometimes not doesn't know us too well because they'll ask us some tough questions, right? And I mean those tough questions are they're uncomfortable too. But they the more resistant sometimes I feel like I am, I don't know if you feel this way, but when I'm really resisting someone's question about what I am doing or what I've just said, I have to go, why am I resisting so much? And usually there's an underlying story there that I don't want to get rid of. I don't want to let go of of, well, I'm I'm the smart one. I'm the one that has this under control, I'm the strong one that now I have to admit I'm not.

SPEAKER_00 30:15

And I have so many different threads from what you just shared that I want to pull on to go in deeper. Um, one of the things you were just talking about of resisting that question, you know, my husband and I have gotten, we weren't always this great of communicators throughout our marriage, but we have gotten really good over the past several years to where if one of us is venting to the other person, we will say, Do you want a response to that or are you just talking? And what I have found is that typically when I start venting and I'm like, I don't want you to respond, just listen to me vent. It's because I don't want to be questioned about why I'm venting about whatever it is. But then once I get it all out, usually I follow up with you can respond if you want to. What are your questions?

SPEAKER_01 31:11

I love that. I love that a look up to the left with the eyes too. Like that's that's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 31:20

Um, but it's so you know, going back to this idea of identity clutter, I I I that's such an interesting way to put it because, you know, before we before we clicked record, um, you were sharing a bit about how you really kind of came to terms with or this whole idea of identity clutter really resurfaced when you were helping your parents move out of their home of 50 years and like physical clutter versus identity clutter and emotional clutter. Like, how how did that resurface in your life going through that experience?

SPEAKER_01 31:58

What it really brought home to me was yes, I was moving helping to move my parents. They had lived in this house for over 50 years, and they had a lot of stuff. And a lot of it was tied to who they were. My mom, especially, was she was a crafter, she was a sewer, she did stamping, she had all these things and all these products, and she had saved a lot of letters from her family. And as we were started going through these things, it would have been very easy. And I'll be honest, every once in a while, it was like, can we just like move this? We're out of time frontier. Can we just move this along? And for me, at one point, I realized that it wasn't about holding on to those things. It was having that moment of being seen, being seen for who I was at this time, and that being treasured and valued and honored. And then that ability to let it go came much easier than if we had just said, okay, you have three boxes of fabric. I was gonna say that, but it was probably more like 30 boxes of fabric, and we're just gonna move them along. There was some special fabrics in there, and to tell the story behind that, once it was told, she was able to release it. Now, if you ever go through this with a parent or uh somebody and you're going through a bunch of stuff, the first thought that came to mind when I got home is oh, I probably should do a little bit of this myself. And so I went down to the basement and I pulled out a box that I knew from was from when my very first job experience, the first five years. Now I didn't have five years worth of stuff, but I knew that's the time frame it was. And I pulled it out and I started going through it. And some of it was like, okay, okay, there's performance reviews in there and so forth. And it's like, okay, that's kind of easy to let go of. And then I came across this uh review and also documentation of a speech I had given that I had been asked to give when I was fresh on the job. So I was probably 23 years old. And I went to a high school and talked to the classes there about technology and the company that I worked for. And when I saw that, I thought, so often it is just like throw it all out because I'm not that person anymore. I don't do programming, I don't, you know, do those things. And yet there was a part of me that went, okay, there's there's still a piece of this that I need to carry forward. And that was the genuine enjoyment that came with sharing ideas and interacting with people. I had totally forgotten this. Going and standing in front of this class, I remember I was nervous, but standing in front of this class, a bunch of high schoolers, and asking them asking questions. And as nervous as I was, the enjoyment that came from that. So there, this idea of processing our identities, not just to let them go. There are the things that we do need to let go, but there's also the nuggets in there and being uh intentional about thinking about those old identities. And it's clutter is kind of that part you want to get rid of, but there is the the parts of it that you you want to hang on to and honoring what that brings to your life, you know, in this moment today.

SPEAKER_00 35:41

Yeah. So what are some of the parts of those old identities that you still keep and treasure with you today?

SPEAKER_01 35:51

You know, there is, I think when I when I first started working, I attended a party for someone who was he was retiring and he had been there for 40 years, and I had been there for a couple of months. And when I walked into that room and it made me think, is this who I'm gonna be 40 years from now? Because it was a really good company. And do I is that who I want to be? That one little lesson has stuck with me for all these years. And even as I move forward in my career and interacting with people and understanding that I no longer wanted to be a programmer, but problem solving and soundboarding with people and coming up with ideas and figuring how to take something that's really complicated and make it simple or simpler, easier to understand, were things that I could take from those early years and still apply today as part of what I do and as I interact with people to kind of look at those identities are all there's lots of them, and they can feel like overwhelming because there's so many of them. But paring it down to yeah, what are those patterns? You used the words patterns early in our conversation, and and seeing what those patterns are so we know what that can help us determine what to hang on to and what to release. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:31

And it sounds like those are a lot of seeds that you have carried with you into who you are now. Seeds to stories.

SPEAKER_01 37:40

Yes. I love, I love, okay, I love good metaphors. So metaphors and acronyms, they're I acronyms is something I took from you appreciate that from the high-tech world. Everything's an acronym, right? I still appreciate that because that is that idea of there's a lot here, but if I simple simplify it down to four or five-letter word, I can remember it.

SPEAKER_00 38:06

Yeah, absolutely. Oh man, Kim, I feel like we could talk for hours and hours. So maybe we'll have to do a part two one day. I know that would be fun.

SPEAKER_01 38:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:16

But as we are kind of coming to the close of the show, I always ask my guests to share a final reminder with the listeners. So, what do you want to remind the listeners of as we are closing out today?

SPEAKER_01 38:33

I would encourage your listeners to first of all take that, listen to those nudges where something is uncomfortable. And you are probably standing in some kind of gap of knowing you need to do something and not sure what to do. But as you stand there in that gap of discomfort, thinking about asking that question of who am I now? And allowing that to reveal the identities from the past, the hopes for the future. And while that sounds kind of, I don't know, fluffy when I say it out loud, I think that's basically what we need to do is to stand there and then do the work of figuring out who am I now and how am I going to show up going forward and sitting there with it for as long as you know, trust yourself, lean into your intuition of how long you need to sit there.

SPEAKER_00 39:34

Beautiful. Kim, thank you so much for your time and sharing some of your story and some of your lessons. I really appreciate you being here. Oh, thank you, Michelle.

SPEAKER_01 39:43

This was so much fun, and I enjoy talking with you. And you have you bring so much to I think your audience. And it is that whole idea of getting back to the basics, and we need to hear these things more than once. And uh I hope they they enjoyed this episode as well. So thank you.

SPEAKER_00 40:02

Oh, thank you so much. I really appreciate that. Um, y'all, everything we talked about today, they were reminders. They were just little nudges to get back to the basics. And like Kim said, there's power and that discomfort. So sit in it, listen to what it's trying to teach you, and I know you will grow from there. All of the ways to connect with and learn more about Kim will be in the show notes. So until next time, I'll catch y'all later.